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The Unstarving Musician’s Podcast features weekly interviews with indie music artists an industry pros who share their experience and expertise on songwriting, recording, touring, getting gigs, marketing, and much more. It’s all intended to help indie artists to more of what they love–make music.

Peace, love & more cowbell,

Jul 3, 2020

This is the second installment of Today’s Indie Musician series in which ’m talking with former guests of the podcast to do deep dives on the industry, what’s happening during these wild times and where we see it going. These episodes were done as research I did for a article on the Six Skills All Indie Musicians Need Today.

Our guest today is Mawk Phoenix from episode 131. We discuss my various suppositions about the important elements an indie musician must master these days. I share my experience recording drums at home, which was fun to discuss with Mawk given his experience in production and sound engineering. Mawk’s long career gives him a unique perspective on the skills indie musicians need today.

Episode Highlights

We start by talking about how artists need to be entrepreneurs (05:43) and go on to discuss:

  • (08:40) Building a community versus followers
  • (10:15) Re-inventing how we perform
  • (17:40) Recording at home and digital distribution
  • (22:44) Building a niche audience


The path is not to getting a deal anymore. The path is to creating your own business and your own branding.
–Mawk Phoenix

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